>> yes, there is little doubt in washington about the seriousness of the sick jubilation. the problem is withdrawing government demand from the economy too big spending programs, cuts with a smothering effect on the tax hikes will have been very damaging effect on the was economy and by extension the world economy. people know it is serious, but the politics, we know that the house and senate republicans do not want to increase taxes on anybody, so it is very difficult to see how a package can get through congress, certainly in time for the new year. one guess is that they could that the fiscal cliff deadline lapse and then in the new year try to look at it in january to reduce taxes on those people while raising them for the rich, but that is after dropping off. >> we have learned that nancy pelosi is saying that senate leaders will try to craft a fiscal cliff deal. as ben said, they are not giving any details, no specifics, they're not going to, but nancy pelosi said it will try to craft some sort of deal to avoid heading off the edge of the fiscal cliff. >>> the outgoin